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052: Mental Health Stigma with Alex Roth

Hello! Welcome to episode 52 of I’d Rather Stay In. This week, we’re joined by our friend Alex Roth as we talk all about the stigma around mental health.

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Episode transcript

Welcome to I’d rather stay in the podcast for cozy introverts. We’re your hosts Stephie Predmore

and Megan Myers.

This week’s episode mental health stigma.

Hi, Megan.

Hey Stephie

How’s it going?

Um, I would like to say something weird about bathroom situations.

I was not sure where you were going, but nothing girl sleep in you.

So I will we have two bathrooms in this house? Yes. For people. So obviously we, you know, share bathrooms?

Yes.

Every time I go into the bathroom off of the bathroom that’s off of my office. Uh huh. The soap is moved further away from the sink. Every time I move it back to right next to the sink because obviously, you need the soap right next to the sink.

Mm hmm.

But apparently everyone else in my house loves getting water all over the counter.

Every time they wash their hands, or you have a really persistent ghost.

That is entirely possible. But they wouldn’t know advance soap was so like, why would they know why and annoying? Oh,

that’s because they’re like, What the fuck is this thing? What is this thing next to the sink? Is this absurd?

That is possible. However,

it’s probably

one of the three people may also live in your house. Yes. There’s just water all over the counter all the time. Hmm.

I just had to get that off my chest.

You fit holding that in since last week, haven’t you

know, it’s only been over the weekend. And then today, I was just like, again, I’m moving in again.

Just all the sudden, just penta, you’re like, ah,

the so. And so. Look, I’ve spent a lot of time with these people over the past eight, eight months.

A lot, a lot of time with your family. It’s really starting to

get right in there.

You’ve learned a lot of things about them, I feel.

Yes.

Like it’s true. You’ve lived with them all these years. But there’s really something different about being with them all. I

also have another I have another side story about them. And yet, so when we had the carpeting pulled put in, we did take everything out of the kids rooms. And so gathered up all the stuff and put it in other places. And then we’re after it was installed, we put everything back. And then over the weekend. Bob was like, have you seen this? DS Nintendo DS video game box for this thing? Because apparently that’s where Reese put his money. Oh, no. Because he doesn’t have a wallet anymore because he is a teenager so he had was not cool anymore. So he’s not a wallet. Sure. So his money was just in this DS box. Oh, no, for some reason. And it wasn’t in the box of things that we had taken out of his room apparently to put away or whatever. So we’ve been looking all over the house for this stupid game box to find his money because he has a lot of money in there. your kitchen does

like squirrel away their dollars.

Yes. He has like probably like almost $200 in there dating. Um, because he also got some for his birthday too. So he’s just been collecting it. And loans probably never spend it. It’s he’s they’re very weird about money. But he has been we were looking for it and looking for it. And I was I looked through everything today I was just driving me crazy because I wanted to find it because that’s a lot of money. And went through every room upstairs and went through boxes in the basement. And then he’s finally comes down. He’s like I found it. I was like you did and he was really obvious, wasn’t it? No, it was in the bathroom. What? Yeah, it was in one of the drawers in the bathroom. Because he said to himself, this is a really good spot where people will not find it.

I mean, I guess he was right.

It was definitely right. A fair to him. He was very concerned that the clinic that the carpet installers were gonna like take by this DS box and steal all of his money apparently put in a place where he couldn’t find it and not without all of his other stuff.

So the kid needs a wallet. First of all, him.

Yes, he needs a wallet. Maybe I know what he’s getting for Christmas should spend some of his money first of all to buy a wallet.

Right?

Let’s fix our money storage solution. Yeah.

Um, so then I said you should find a better place to put this and he said, okay, and I have no idea where he put it now, but hopefully he remembers it’s probably in a book or something. Maybe I don’t on

his phone or some shit. Like, come on.

In his pillowcase. I don’t know. Anyway.

Like a little his like, he’s like those little people, little people that grew up during the Depression, and they’ve just kept like stacks of cash under their mattresses. Like this is Reese.

Apparently, I don’t know. I’m not sure what the deal is. Max actually spent is he just bought a toy this weekend because he saw it in the target catalog. And he said, I want that toy. I’m gonna go let’s go to Target so I can buy it was like, Oh, okay. He’s such a child. You You have so much to look forward to.

As they get older.

Yeah, yeah, right. So easy right now.

Well, right now we’re struggling with the time change. So that’s been really interesting. Like, I knew it was gonna be a struggle. But yeah, it’s just it the time change was a struggle. It’s a the last couple days have been long.

Yeah, there’s not a whole lot you can do about that. No, I think now,

I’m ready for bed. And I’m like, I’m,

like seven. Like, my kids were fine with the time changes this year. So they’re finally old enough where

it hasn’t been horrible. Six, six and a half more years. All right. Yeah. All right. Noted.

But this is the good direction. Spring is worse.

So yeah, I she was so little, when in the spring when we sprung forward or whatever. Like it didn’t make a difference, because she was up every two or three hours anyway. Yeah. But yeah, this is this is the water. I was like, Oh, okay. All right. This is so somebody nasty decided to put the time change, Halloween Full Moon election, like all within the same week, totally fine, as a Republican that made that choice.

So

we talk a lot about mental health on this podcast, one of our very first episodes was about anxiety, and we circle back to mental health in general, quite a lot around here. If you’ve noticed,

images a little bit. Often, we also know that talking about mental health has not always been acceptable. And there’s still quite a stigma associated with the top. To assist as we unpack this, we are joined today by our friend. And hey, another coworker, Alex Roth.

Hello, ladies.

Hey, Alex. Hi.

So Alex, tell us about yourself.

Yeah, um, yeah, I guess I’ll start off by saying, I live in the Twin Cities of Minnesota with my dog Hodor. And my cat Salem. I do prefer to stay in super important. Feels like a little bit less of a treat these days. For some reason. I don’t know why that is. But uh, yeah, I am by no means an expert on mental health stigma, but I’m super happy to talk about how mental illness has played a role in my life.

Yeah, so as much as you feel comfortable diving into that, can you tell us about your mental health journey?

Yeah, absolutely. Um, so, growing up, I was super anxious about a lot of things even as a child. I remember one time when I was six or seven, I was in my bedroom at night and I was like, crying. And my mom came in and she’s, you know, trying to figure out what’s going on asked me what’s wrong, and I said something along the lines of I’m gonna die someday. Um, and it watched into a full monologue. That theater kid Alex was probably very proud of, but yeah, I mean, God bless my mother for However, she diffused that situation, cuz I

don’t know what she was expecting either. Like you. You’re like, honey, like your six year old like, Honey, what’s wrong? Like, I’m gonna die someday. You’re like, oh, oh, okay.

It’s that kind of conversation.

Yeah, and I mean, I feel like if I if a kid were to say that to me, I would just be like, yeah, you and me both. We’re both kind of writing this out. I don’t know either. Good cry. Um, so yeah, I mean, as a kid, definitely a little bit more anxious than is typical, I think. Um, and another thing that contributed to that. Once I started getting a little bit older, and I realized my my sexuality as a gay non binary person, I had a lot of anxieties about whether I belonged in the world and how my family would take that sort of news. And if I had to grow up and marry a woman, which, like, love women, not for me, it’s fine. We’re not offended. Yeah.

We love you, but we’re not offended.

there’d be some pretty weird energy in here, if you were. But, uh, yeah, so there’s, there’s a lot of just different factors that were going on that just really fueled that anxiety. And I was growing up in North Dakota, which is a very conservative area. And, you know, there’s so many unknowns in that, that you play out every scenario in your head, and you just get so used to that. Luckily, when I came out, it was pretty well received. But at that point, it really exacerbated my anxiety and depression, to the point where I was physically getting ill. I was actually starting to go to doctors, I was in the hospital and er, for stomach pain and gi issues. And it wasn’t until a couple years later, when I was out of that situation that I realized it was really my anxiety and depression that we’re playing into that. But it got so bad to the point where I dropped out of high school. Which then, as somebody with anxiety and depression and not a great self image, you’re now also a high school dropout, which is something that is also stigmatized in this nation. Sure. And it just kind of created this feedback loop. I’m very fortunate that around the time that I was 18, I realized I needed some help. And I reached out to really, whatever psychiatrists and psychologists, my insurance would cover at that point. Sure. Um, but I was able to get matched up with some people who ended up really being the best people that could have been there in that time of my life. Um, and, and over the years through a lot of just trial and error of different medications and some cognitive behavioral therapy and medication that which I already said.

Okay, sometimes you just need a little extra dose.

Yeah, well, these days especially. Um, but but through all of that I was, I was able to really get a handle on my anxiety and my depression and a little bit of OCD mixed in there for good measure,

just a little sprinkling.

Fold in the OCD cheese. So something that we actually touched in, touched on in our episode this past week about birth control is that access to or the barriers to access to birth control affects way more areas of your life than you might initially think on the surface. And I think the same can be said about the stigma toward mental health. That, that this stigma can really affect many aspects of your life. So what in what ways have you felt the effects of mental health stigma throughout your life?

Um, yeah, I, I think a lot of where that stigma came from was just the, the media around that time. Um, you never really saw anxiety or depression, well represented in media, at least, not as somebody who is functioning with those illnesses. A lot of times, you would see things played up. Or you would see references in media to people who would talk about antidepressants, and they’d be like, oh, they’re changing who I am. And like painting them in a really negative light, which like, in reality, that’s their job, post to help change who you are, because who you are, is really not coping well with the world. But, um, with without really seeing that representation in media, or in my day to day life. It made for a really difficult time of knowing when it was time to reach out for somebody, um, even in my own family, you know, anytime there was somebody that had mental health issues, it was something that was spoken about as if there was some shame attached to it.

I feel like I do feel like it is important to also note that, like, as you said, you you I mean, you’re really like you were dealing with mental health stigma, but then you are also dealing with the stigma of growing up gay in, in a very conservative area of the United States. And so I would imagine that those two things, you know, very much like you said, like played into each other and fed off of each other and are probably been in meshed in ways that are hard to distinguish from each other in some ways. Yeah,

yeah. I think that’s a really good point. And and you’re absolutely right, there’s no representation of myself or not a lot of places that I can see myself. And when you’re a teenager, you spend so much time worrying about whether you have a place in the world that it’s really easy to get discouraged.

Yeah, for sure.

was thinking back to when we had our friend Caleb on. And he was talking about sexuality in general. And there’s certain stigmas within the LGBTQ community, between different kinds of sexuality. And and that also makes us wonder if there is a certain stigma within the LGBTQ community toward mental health struggles, as well, like, inside your inside that community? Or is it you think you’re mostly seeing it from outside the community where people are like, Oh, well, they’re gay. And so of course, they’re like, also struggling with depression and just their pain. So another thing broken? Yeah, something like that, or do you think it’s on on all sides?

Yeah, um, yeah, I mean, the the gay community, as you mentioned, and Caleb mentioned, has its own fair share of issues that you would really think we’re, we could figure out, there’s a lot of racism and even internalized homophobia among people who are queer. But this is one area where this might just be like me being optimistic, but I feel like LGBTQ plus people are a lot more empathetic towards people who are having mental health struggles. And I think a lot of that just comes from how growing up LGBTQ or rather how growing up as a queer person you’re put through so much. There are a lot of people even in 2020, who aren’t accepted by their families. And that alone can really weigh hard on someone. And especially at for for trans folks who are 10 times more likely to die by suicide compared to the national average. So I think with just how much hurt people go through, we are so used to having to find our own family and to have to find people who, who can understand us and empathize with us that I think we are a little bit more open to talking about mental health issues. Um, it’s not really something that I have ever been made to feel less as a person for. It’s definitely something that when I started out dating, I felt that might play against me, but so far, I’m lucky to not have really met somebody that being said, there are terrible people no matter where you go in the world. So

that is true, is very true.

That is very true. But I think that it’s nice to hear that at least in your experience, that the that’s a community that is very supportive. of you know, what, what? Everybody’s going, going by I don’t know where that sentence was going. the struggles that everyone is having with their mental health. Yeah, no,

I think I’m also just like part of Part of the reason that people are a little bit more open to talking about it in the communities because we spent so much time of our lives so much time of just hiding something or not saying something or keeping something bottled up that like there’s almost this effect that when you first start coming out that you just can’t there’s no filter, you just keep going. You’re sure

shaken coke bottle.

Yeah, absolutely.

Yeah, yeah. Like I’m gay at all. So I really struggled with mental illness and depression and anxiety. And so we maybe we should come together as a community and talk about that. I don’t know, I know, we’re all really really busy. We can talk about this later, but I just wanted to share that about myself. Also. I don’t know where else I was gonna go with Eddie.

Yeah. Also, I love hallmark movies.

Oh, god, I’m so glad somebody finally set it out there.

We haven’t talked about it. Um, so we’ve talked a lot, but for real, we do have to talk about that. So we’ve talked a lot about the presence of this stigma and the problems that causes but I think there, I think there is starting to be a shift towards being more open about mental health. And I think there is an effort to distinct D stigmatize it. Do you think this is true? Or do you think this is this positive shift is still pretty exclusive to specific groups? Or perhaps areas of internet like are, is my perspective, being swayed by the areas where I reside, sort of both in my personal communities and the air enters areas of the internet, where I reside or no, is a universal thing?

I think it is absolutely a universal thing. And I think that the, the most apparent way that it’s starting to be D stigmatized is that it is something that is actually explored in our media as a way of, of just representing people who are thriving with mental illness and sometimes struggling, but I, you, you start to see shows that are willing to explore these things. I remember actually, when I was watching scrubs, and they were talking about postpartum depression, and Carl on that show was struggling with it. And I think that, that was kind of the start when that was allowed to be talked about. And now through the years, you’re seeing a lot of exploration of these, these these different kinds of people and what they’re struggling with. And then I mean, like you said, online communities, people are super open about, you know, oh, I was talking to my therapist, and she said this the other day, or there’s, there’s also discussions about what living with depression is like, and running out of spoons. I don’t know if that’s something. Yeah, yeah. So, um,

can we explain that for anyone that doesn’t know isn’t familiar with that.

The, the idea is that you only have so many spoons on any given day, and there are certain days where you might have more spoons, and certain days where you have less spoons, and there are just certain days where you run out of spoons, and you just can’t get something done. I think that might be that might have been, like, edited, and that it might have originally just been Fox. And then you’re out of Fox to give and so you climb into bed and you take a nap and you’re not any less of a person for that you’re just out of fucks to give right? Um, but I mean, even just people talking about what medication that you’re on. Um, I mean, I, there’s definitely still a ton more work to do. But like now, compared to even 10 years ago, it’s it’s not something that’s hiding in the shadows of society. We’re seeing people who are talking about PTSD and how it’s affecting our veterans, you’re seeing people talking about how PTSD is affecting health care workers in COVID. And I think there’s just so much more visibility that if this had been around, when I was younger, I maybe would have been able to get some help sooner.

Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. I mean, I may have been like, I’m sitting here thinking about, like, you know, the show friends. And how, like, none of the things that we want to de stigmatize discuss on that show bit. Like if you actually go back and watch it, it’s like, actually kind of terrible. vs shows that are on now, like, for fucksakes. Like, The Good Place dives into so many conversations. That never would have been on TV 10 years ago, yeah. or 15 or 20 years ago. You know, when when we were growing up? And so I think that’s right, it’s we’ve we’ve sort of turned this corner and are starting to address so many different things with our media. And that’s such a sort of just baseline place where people can feel accepted or not.

Yeah, absolutely. And and I think it, it almost makes for better media because it’s something that more people can relate to. And it it ends up even having a healing effect on some people just by being able to see their struggles represented and people healing through those it can it can be healing for people who have those.

Absolutely.

One of the things that I’ve still noticed, though, is that even though there are definitely more depictions of, of mental illness and struggles, and people are being more open with it, I see so many people on Twitter and Instagram, like, sharing what they’re going through. But at the same time I am. I feel like I’m also seeing like, I guess I guess it’s the false concern, kind of thought where people like want to know how you’re doing. But also they don’t actually. Right. So what are things? I mean, I feel like those of us who struggle with these things, we’re already, we’re already doing a lot of the heavy lifting here to try and D stigmatize it while also dealing with the actual struggles. How can we help those people understand better on their own?

Yeah, I mean, I think to start, if you’re not somebody who has a mental illness, the really simple way that you can help is being really mindful about the language that you’re using. I still hear people referring to themselves as OCD because they like to have something organized, which is not at that is not representative of what it is like to have OCD and OCD is very much a spectrum. So it’s kind of reductive to still have that term going around. or hearing people using the term crazy or psycho when there are other way more fun words that you could use, like absurd, or bananas, or just like straight up fucked up. Like, there are a lot more things. Oh, bonkers is another one of my favorites. But I think I think another thing that could go a long ways to just be open and available to people in your life who have mental illness and to let them share their stories without any sort of judgment or, or without you trying to make it better. Because at that point, if I’m sharing about where my anxieties at, or my depression is that I don’t need you to tell me to try and get me to calm down or tell me it’s gonna be good. I really am just looking for an excuse to vent and and take a load off.

You just need somebody to listen.

Yeah, he’s your problem. Yes,

I just need a witness.

I also like if you ask me how I’m doing, and the answer is not fine. Like I’m not doing great. I also don’t like that doesn’t mean that I’m about to like, dive off the deep end, right?

Yo,

because I do feel like like I had a friend who she put up. she’s she’s struggling with some infertility, and like she was just really frustrated with it. One day, I don’t know, she put something up on her Instagram stories. And then like three minutes later, she took it down because she was like, she texted me she was like, because I know, if my mother sees it, then she’ll be like, Oh, my God, what’s wrong? And like, that’s what you don’t need? Is that kind of thing where you’re like, how are you doing? Not great. Oh, my God. Like that is not the reaction we’re looking for.

Right. I think that sometimes when people ask me how I am, and I’ll just say fine, because I don’t. I don’t want to get into that conversation. Yeah,

yeah. Easier to say fine sometimes. Definitely not. Yeah,

yeah. I mean, yeah. But I think we could also do pretty well to normalize having negative answers to that question. Let me say that I’m not doing okay. without you having to check in on on me and I think it I think when you make a big fuss over somebody who is just sharing that they’re having a rough time, it can do more harm than good. It can cause that person to not actually share how they’re feeling with you because the last time they did it, they got an over the top reaction,

especially if you have anxiety and then it’s just going to prompt your anxiety because then you’re thinking about how that person is going to react and not about your actual problem that you need to be dealing with itself. ever been there?

None of this is from personal experience. I know I was a friend told me

that this might happen.

So we know that finding a community can make all the difference for someone who’s struggling, be it with mental health or infertility or any number of other issues that we’ve talked about before. What are some resources for anyone who’s struggling with mental health or with finding people in their personal lives? who understand?

That is a really good question that I don’t feel 100% qualified to answer.

Ah, what

are some resources that may have been helpful for you? Or people that you know? Yeah,

yeah, I mean, um, if you are somebody who is struggling with mental, mental health issues, please, please, please, please, please tell at least a few people to one person in your life about where you’re at. I know, it seems like a really rough conversation. And when you’re there, it doesn’t feel like people are wanting to listen to you. But just having one or two people that can be a jumping off point for your support system, is really gonna set you up for success. And then really, just take the leap and try and find some mental health providers near you. It is terrifying trying to navigate mental health in this country, it is especially terrifying to do that when you’re already needing mental health resources. But it is the best thing that you can do for yourself. Um, if you’re not somebody who is struggling with mental health issues, you you can absolutely support people in your life by just listening to them, as we talked about. If you’re looking to donate the Trevor Project does wonderful work with LGBTQ plus youth who are struggling with mental illness. There is also the afsp, the American Foundation for Suicide Prevention. They put on the walk of silence, where it’s to raise awareness for suicide. And then if you have somebody that’s in your life that is struggling with mental health, and you want to learn more about how to support them, just google what they’ve shared with you about themselves, and do some research on what they’re struggling with. If your friend has panic attacks, go look up what it is like to have a panic attack and try to imagine what that experience feels like. Because the more you educate yourself on that, and the more you try to empathize with with those people, the better equipped you’ll be to support somebody.

Absolutely. We talk about that a lot. I talk about that a lot with like adoption and infertility, that you know, where even if those are not things that are touching your life directly. If you educate yourself on those topics, you can be a better friend and loved one to the people around you who are struggling with those things, or are dealing or directly touched by those things. And I think mental health is definitely one of one of those areas like you also I also think that it’s it’s important that we note that just because you don’t struggle with your mental health now doesn’t mean that there might not be something that happens in your life that trigger something for you. Mm hmm. You know, maybe you go through a trauma and you find you find yourself struggling with your mental health after that point. Like, there’s, you know, not to be like all doom and gloom or something. But like, I think we just all, all of us understanding what, you know, aspects of mental health is important for ourselves and for our loved ones. And if you’re a parent, I feel like it’s like, really important. My child is eight months old. I’m already like, I want to understand these things, so that I could be a better parent for her as she grows up.

Yeah, there’s definitely a lot to learn on that front. I wanted to pop in one more resource group called Nami, the National Alliance on Mental illness, they do a lot of work and do a lot of education and advocacy. And they have local chapters all over the country. So it’s a really good resource if you are looking for something near you.

Yeah, absolutely. Love that.

Fantastic. Well, thank you for sharing your story with us.

Yeah, thank you for having me.

We appreciate we appreciate You and we’ve been here.

We’ve wanted to have you on for a while. Actually, I

know I was so excited when I finally got the invite I

just been waiting by his mailbox for his invitation to arrive.

Every week, I would check my email and then I would bled out and exasperated ad next week,

now you’re among the Chosen

Few Alex, I’m actually really, really pumped. I you’ve had several of our co workers on here before and it’s been really nice to get to hear their perspective as well as they’re, they’re sharing that side of themselves with them that I don’t necessarily get to see. Working with them. So it it has been very for us to

Yeah, it’s so fun for us to talk to people that we interact with on a daily or semi daily basis in one capacity and to like dive into a passion of theirs that may or may not be at all connected to their work life. So it is because guess what? Were people outside of work?

What? I don’t think that’s allowed in a capitalist society.

craziness. Crazy. Crazy.

Okay. Don’t tell anybody that I haven’t been working for the past 10 weeks. Anyway.

She said, Oh, people, it’s fine. It’s fine.

I’ll be back to work soon.

What’s bringing us joy?

So let’s let’s lighten things up a little bit. And the end the day with some joy. So Alex, what is it making you happy this week?

Um, that feels like a very loaded question on election week. When we’re recording this the Monday of election week.

Yeah, very sweet. Guys. We normally record on Tuesdays. And we were like, no, we’re not recording on election night. Oh,

God. No. would not have gone well.

Yeah, I I’m very glad that we’ve made this accommodation cuz

we’ve all would have been so like, sanics Hell, yeah. Anything we were talking about? Well, speaking

of I mean, that was gonna be my answer for what’s making me happy this week. I was gonna say Xanax, God. But But in all seriousness, my my real answer for that question is I’ve been saving the last season of schitts Creek specifically for this week, this was my plan. So that I can just ignore all of the coverage that I can’t affect the change of I’ve already voted. I’ve already really done what I can right now. And I’m going to hunker down and I’m going to watch the last season of schitts Creek and cry a lot.

That is how you’re in for a treat.

It’s so wonderful.

I’m so happy for you. That you get to read like you get to experience it for the first time.

Do you want to live vicariously through me? I can just like text you as I’m watching it. Just live live blog it to you. Absolutely.

Yeah, we need to.

We were I’ve already watched it twice. So

yeah. So like we’ve we’ve been through that like texting each other about about it, but it’s just so great. I love that for you. Megan, what’s bringing you joy.

So last weekend was Halloween. Mm hmm. And it’s a little confusing, because I am pretty sure that trick or treating was canceled here.

It like was and then they on canceled it. Very confusing. Either way. They just discouraged it. Like you can go and these are the hours when you can go but you really shouldn’t go It was weird.

Well, nobody seemed to really be doing it in our neighborhood anyway. And I also told my kids it was canceled, so it was fine. They didn’t really care that much. I bought candy at the store. And they got their candy anyway. But so they watched movies in the basement. And I watched holidate and Emma. Yeah, eating ice cream on Halloween with all the lights off in my house. And it was amazing.

Yes,

I love it. And then also I think you were watching at the same time. I was watching validate at the same time I was invested in it. So I didn’t do our normal like when we watch the horrible movies, when we text each other through the whole thing, because it wasn’t

horrible. It was really good. So I didn’t have like anything catty to say about it. I did not it was very enjoyable and cute. I liked it a lot. Two thumbs up. Yeah, I was gonna say that Christmas movies are good. I busted out the Christmas movies. I busted out the I cleaned out the DVR of like a bunch of crap old crap and I’ve been recording them and my husband has kind of screwed And the other day, he was like looking at something on the DVR is like, Who’s recording all these Christmas movies? Because there are some people that do not live in our home who have our our dish network login, and sometimes they record stuff. Who’s recording this? I was like, uh, your wife, your wife is recording the Christmas movies. And he was like, Oh,

I mean, was he not paying attention that I was at your house? And we watched Christmas movies in a row

movies in a row. He must have thought we were just watching them on the TV. I don’t know. I don’t know. bless his heart. But I was like, it’s me. I have been watching them since like the week before Halloween. I have zero shame about it. It’s just the coziness that I need right now.

Yeah, and also, I you know, you just need 15,000 wreaths on the wall.

Oh my god, right? Yes. Take a shot every time you see a reef Oh.

We will be we’ll be covering the sea. Oh, we talked about holiday movies last year, but we obviously cannot skip it again. No, we’re so we’re gonna

talk again later. And we’re gonna have a special guest on for that. It’s so

stay tuned in a couple weeks for that. I will say one additional bonus joy since you brought up the whole Christmas movies and stuff. But the fact that I was able to go to your house and hang out and watch movies, it was pretty great. It was pretty awesome. That’s pretty good joy. Yeah, I can just go to your house

and Royce. I’m our German Shepherd. He likes snuggled up and like laid his head in your lap and was like all about Megan snuggles.

It’s true. The jury is out on whether I’m allergic to him though show. Don’t

tell him that it would really don’t. You already don’t want him kissing you on the face. If you can’t snuggle with him. He’ll just be who he already is.

Gonna get that dog of Xanax.

I actually have I have thought about the doggy Xanax before I

like straight up Hodor is on a Prozac prescription for anxiety. Like it’s it’s not just for human stocks can get it too. Yeah,

I if I was not working from home every day, my dogs would absolutely need it because they are a little. Yeah, bless their hearts. But we’re home all day. It like definitely helps. But yeah, they’re there. They’re special. They’re special. It’s okay.

We love about him very much.

Next week’s episode

They’re very, very sweet. So, next week, we’re going to be talking about holiday shopping but with a twist.

That’s right, because I am extremely nerdy. I’ve got some things to say about the exciting, exciting topic of supply chains. Until then, leave us a review on Apple podcasts and listen to us on your favorite platform. You can also follow us on social media at irsipodcast or send us an email at idratherstayinpodcast@gmail.com. We love to hear from our listeners.

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